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Post by yerfdog on Apr 6, 2008 15:56:02 GMT -5
We are the 1stRBN Clan (1st Recon Battalion) and we run two gameservers which are both titled the same as in the subject line above (1stRBN Tactical Crouch). COD1 - 206.251.75.202:28960 1stRBN Tactical CrouchCOD4 - 8.6.2.122:28960 1stRBN Tactical CrouchWe have a full support website ( www.1streconbn.net)and use Teamspeak 2 for voice communications. We run tournaments, special events and scrim with other clans. Join us on our server for some COD1 or COD4 fun!
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Post by [509th] Jazz on Apr 6, 2008 16:34:04 GMT -5
Hello 1stRBN I please clarify your server rules: www.1streconbn.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=11352. Running from spawn is ALLOWED,under fire or not. Running is ALLOWED as long as your not covered. Covered=anything over your head.Shooting from the standing/running position is not allowed except when running from a 'nade', and you run towards the person who threw the 'nade'.Or you need to see over an object.If you run, you will be heard! (the benefit of crouching should be obvious!) Anybody caught running while covered,will be "locked" in the crouch position. If you run after "unlocked" from the crouch position while covered you will be temp banned. NO WARNINGS. To me this sounds like Run N Gun. Please clarify. Tha clans involved here do not play by these rules.
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Post by -eXtr- chiblue on Apr 6, 2008 18:55:52 GMT -5
Absolutely jazz, I Agree sounds like it to me.....
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Post by redbaron on Apr 6, 2008 19:47:07 GMT -5
Hello all,
I am 1stRBN[2]MSGT.REDBARON the scrim coordinator for our clan.
To clarify our rules about running: 1st and foremost you may not fire your weapon from the running/standing position. You MUST be in crouch or prone to shoot. If you are indoors or covered (covered = anything over your head) You MUST be crouched.
Running is allowed when you are escaping the blast of a nade, leaving your spawn while protected or leaving enemies spawn, a couple steps to toss a nade, and from cover to cover when you are not covered. We have a 7 second period of spawn protection with a white cross above your head to ensure it is understood that you are a spawn. Targeting spawn is a big NO NO on our server.
NO RUNNING & GUNNING or BUNNY HOPPIN is allowed on our server. Hence the rule you MUST be CROUCHED or PRONE to shoot.
No 2nd story or higher jumps, except when escaping a nade. Be advised that jumps create damage.
Also, be advised that we are the 3rd EVER tactical crouch server ... one of the grandfathers that began the crouch idea.
The no more 1st Elite Recon was the 1st ever crouch server, followed by 4thID, then by us.
I hope this clarifies the rules for you.
Red
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Post by yerfdog on Apr 7, 2008 0:33:39 GMT -5
RedBaron explained it. The best way to experience our gamestyle is to play on our server.
We are a "No run & gun" clan and run a "Tractical Crouch" server.
For example:
1. You are crossing a street. 2. You are taking fire. 3. Do you crouch to cover? 4. NO, you would run to the nearest cover. 5. While running, can you shoot? 6. No, you can only shoot from the crouch or prone position. 7. The choice is clear, get out of there or go crouch or prone and return fire.
Example #2:
1. You spawn near a battle. 2. You are not allowed to use spawn protection for tactical advantage. 3. You run away from the battle while under spawn protection. 4. Once your protection ends, you work your way back to battle crouched.
I hope that this helps clarify our running rule. If you have anything over your head (tree, roof, overhang, etc.), you are not allowed to run. If you are in the open, don't stay there, run to cover.
You are NOT ALLOWED to shoot while running. You must shoot from the crouch or prone position unless looking out a window or shooting over an object.
Feel free to visit our web site or our server to see how this works.
-Yerf
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Post by [509th] Jazz on Apr 7, 2008 13:48:12 GMT -5
I would like others to comment on this. My concern is regarding covered = OVER your head. That seems to eliminate alot of the outdoor parts of the map. But again, I would like others to comment.
Red, I also sent you an private message.
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Post by =|SK|= Burning on Apr 7, 2008 16:14:29 GMT -5
I totally agree with you Jazz.
Limiting the crounch position to a "covered" place means that on certain maps there's a continous Run&Gun (think about maps like BOG or OVERGROWN where the major part of the map is outside)...
Dunno... IMHO I think that that way to intend the game is just a semi-tactical... but that's just a personal opinion, of course...
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Post by [NGBC]Soldat Ryan on Apr 8, 2008 1:49:40 GMT -5
Yes it is not clear (on rules forum) but to be sure, as said RedBaron, we must try their server, then all will be clear.
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Post by {MAD} highlonesome on Apr 8, 2008 6:40:27 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum 1stRBN!!!
I look forward to trying out your style of game play.
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Post by copperhead on Apr 8, 2008 7:53:51 GMT -5
Hey guys
We played with them for about 3 hours straight on our server, nobody was kick by the mod, and our mod is set for no more then 500 units of running is allow and it is cumulitive untill they die...
The only glitch I can say we had with this clan was spawn point killing on certain map...... that's the only issue we had with them.
I gave them the address here for them to visit and see if they could be part, as for myself they dont have much to change to play our gamestyle, these guys are polite, they are the same age as us....
Welcome Red Baron, just ask your members to specify your clan running and spawn issue and let us know..
Thanks
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Post by yerfdog on Apr 8, 2008 12:59:40 GMT -5
Not sure why people are having a hard time with this. "Running" is NOT "Running and Gunning".
As for the spawn killing that Copper-Head spoke of in his last post, this is a problem in every FPS game out there. We use ts to communicate and if someone is getting spawn killed, it is very easy to rectify by just letting the player who is killing from or into spawn know to back off or move out.
The best way to experience our gameplay is to join us on our server to see for yourselves how our gameplay works. I urge anyone who questions our rules, gameplay, enforcement to try out our server. If it is to your liking, then you are welcome to play. If it is not for you, then that is okay too.
Thanks for inviting us over Copper-Head. I appreciate the invitation and support.
-Yerf
PS-Jazz, please play on our server to see for yourself how things work before you make any decision on whether we fall under YOUR interpretation of Run & Gun. The forums are not the best way for you to decide as they only provide one avenue of information.
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Post by redbaron on Apr 8, 2008 13:51:01 GMT -5
My final comments to all,
Limiting the crouch position to covered areas only, DOES NOT mean that the rest of the areas RUN&GUNS are occuring. IN FACT, as i have repeatedly said, RUNNING&GUNNING is NOT ALLOWED on our servers.
The definition of RUNNING & GUNNING: Shooting from the running/standing position and bunny hopping.
The fact that a player returns to crouch or prone before firing his weapon nullifies a RUN & GUN.
Semi-tactical??? I would say that not allowing running is semi-tactical. It is not very "tactical" to be shot in an open area while crouching when you could RUN to the nearest cover.
There was a time when our server rules were 100% crouch only except when avoiding the blast of a nade. We have evolved since then to incorporate limited running. We have done this to promote a more "tactical" & realistic game play. Face it ... running occures in real warfare and we limit the amount of running that is allowed on our servers.
1stRBN is one of the very first "Tactical Crouch" servers ever created in CoD history. We are the example that all you have modelled after.
My last "running" comment ... this websites name was not thoroughly thought out. We ARE a NO RUN & GUN clan. This websites name should not be No Run&Gun ... it should be "Crouch Only".
My thoughts on spawn issues: We have incorporated 7 seconds of spawn protection with a big white cross over a spawners head to assist in spawning issues. Then too, we allow players to RUN out of their spawn area to the nearest cover and players to RUN away from enemy spawn areas to the nearest cover. This helps tremendously with spawn issues.
On CoD4 it is very difficult to know when players are spawning without a big white cross. Unless they appear right in front of your eyes ... it is very tough to know if they are a spawn or not. Especially if you are a quick reacting player.
I'm done commenting here ... I have no problem with a group of clans that want to advertise a collective set of rules. However the name "No Run&Gun" does not define the collective set of rules you all desire. You all are BEYOND No Run&Gun, more closely related to "Crouch Only".
We ARE a No Run&Gun clan and our rules reflect that.
Red
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Post by [509th] Jazz on Apr 8, 2008 14:15:44 GMT -5
There was a time when our server rules were 100% crouch only except when avoiding the blast of a nade. We have evolved since then to incorporate limited running. We have done this to promote a more "tactical" & realistic game play. Face it ... running occures in real warfare and we limit the amount of running that is allowed on our servers. we also limit the amount of running. 1stRBN is one of the very first "Tactical Crouch" servers ever created in CoD history. We are the example that all you have modelled after. The 509th was created before COD existed, we were limited run in Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. That came out before Call of Duty. I don't really feel like arguing over this, we should visit your server. I also responded to you private messages.
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Post by yerfdog on Apr 10, 2008 11:10:33 GMT -5
I don't really feel like arguing over this, we should visit your server. Thank you!
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Post by [509th] *Starz* on Apr 10, 2008 21:38:50 GMT -5
I think Jazz pretty much summed it up. Thanks guys for your communication and the time that you have invested in resolving issues.
A good idea: Instead of trying to talk over the rules and regulations over forums, I think it be best to set a time and date when we can open up a teamspeak server in order for those interested in attending to go over some of these issues that some of you have brought to our attention. At that time, will we be able to determine more clearly who is really going to step in and say that they would like to be a part of this community. Even though this forum specifically pinpoints the disliking of Run N Gun, there are however those that might not like every detail that is going to be laid out in this community. Of course, there is some leway to your individual taste to some rules in your server, but in other places mentioned, there are certain areas that can not be an acception to the rule. This is why it will be good for us to get together and talk things over. If anyone is interested in doing so, please say "I".
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